After more than six decades in theatre, film and television, Ian McKellen says the most significant change in British acting has been the collapse of the repertory theatre system that once trained generations of performers and sustained regional theatre culture across the United Kingdom.

Speaking in a wide-ranging interview covering acting, politics, religion and his best-known roles, McKellen reflected on a career that began in 1961 at the Belgrade Theatre, one of Britain’s first publicly funded civic theatres built after the Second World War.McKellen said repertory companies once provided young actors with continuous work and practical training alongside experienced performers.

At the time, he earned £8 a week, enough to pay rent and living costs while working steadily in theatre.“Every city of similar size had a repertory company,” he said, describing the system as an apprenticeship structure where actors learned technique, discipline and stagecraft through constant production schedules. He added that no comparable nationwide structure now exists in Britain.

Despite those institutional changes, McKellen said audience enthusiasm for live performance remains strong. Theatre-going, he said, continues to be “one of the principal amusements in the UK”.The actor also discussed his longstanding pre-show routines, including stretching and vocal warm-ups with fellow cast members.

While dismissing suggestions he still rehearses in a jockstrap as he once reportedly did during performances of Dance of Death at the Lyric Theatre, McKellen said the communal aspect of theatre remains central to his work.“We stretch muscles, clear vocal cords and gossip,” he said.

“Putting on plays is, at best, a communal business.”Asked whether he would participate in a television series travelling through Europe with fellow actor Patrick Stewart to review local theatre productions, McKellen responded positively but suggested “five-star hotels” would need to replace any camper van arrangements before discussions could proceed.

McKellen also reflected on William Shakespeare and the long-running debate over the authorship of Shakespeare’s plays. If given the opportunity to meet the playwright, McKellen said he would ask him directly whether he wrote the works attributed to him and request details about the original design of the Globe Theatre.

The actor revisited his 2025 appearance at the Glastonbury Festival alongside Scissor Sisters, describing the experience as “heady” despite never aspiring to be a singer. He said the crowd response felt like “one long curtain call”.McKellen’s most widely recognised role remains Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings.

Asked who would win in a hypothetical battle between Gandalf and Albus Dumbledore, McKellen responded that Gandalf would prevail because he was “the original wizard”.He also addressed speculation that David Bowie had once been considered for the role. McKellen said director Peter Jackson had never confirmed which actors turned down the role, though he acknowledged Bowie’s interest in acting.

McKellen suggested Bowie’s striking appearance may have emphasised Gandalf’s supernatural qualities rather than the humanity he sought to portray.“For all Gandalf’s acquaintance with magic and the supernatural, I was most attracted to the old boy’s humanity,” he said.McKellen also discussed his views on religion and humanism.

Raised in a Christian household with a grandfather who preached as a nonconformist minister in Manchester, McKellen said he stopped worshipping as a teenager but retained admiration for the Religious Society of Friends, particularly for its opposition to violence and early support for gay rights in Britain.The actor linked his patriotism less to politics than to British cultural traditions, particularly Shakespeare and pantomime.

McKellen described pantomime as a uniquely British theatrical form combining slapstick, music, audience participation and cross-dressing into performances designed for family audiences.“It is a matchless introduction to all that is possible in a theatre,” he said.McKellen also reflected on owning The Grapes pub in Limehouse, east London, joking that Gandalf’s staff displayed behind the bar helps deter disruptive customers.

One of the interview’s more personal moments concerned advice given to him by Alec Guinness after McKellen’s performance in Bent, the landmark play about the persecution of gay men under Nazi rule.McKellen recalled that Guinness later invited him to lunch and urged him to withdraw from involvement in Stonewall, the advocacy group formed to campaign for equal treatment of gay and lesbian people under British law.

Guinness, McKellen said, believed actors should avoid public political engagement. McKellen declined to follow the advice, remaining active in LGBTQ rights advocacy throughout subsequent decades.The actor also reflected on moments of disappointment during his career, recalling frustration while playing a minor role opposite Celia Johnson in a BBC adaptation of Noël Coward’s Hay Fever.

McKellen said he had accepted the role partly because of his admiration for Johnson’s performance in Brief Encounter, but found her distant during rehearsals.Revisiting Hamlet, a role he first played in his twenties and later returned to in recent years, McKellen said his understanding of the character evolved with age.

Earlier in life, he interpreted Hamlet’s “To be or not to be” soliloquy as a call to live ambitiously. More recently, he said the play’s final message resonated more strongly.“When he confides to his best friend: ‘Let be.’ And so say I.”